I rarely discuss the charts of living celebrities, politicians or anyone in the public eye. I’m with John Frawley in this respect. whom I applaud for making his case for decorum and common decency. I esteem it important to bring attention to an extraordinary woman running for the office of the President of the United States. This short article will be restricted to Ms Gabbard’s qualities as they relate to her unique abilities in the political sphere.
She has attacked some core elements of what America should mean in the world. By urging an end to regime changes around the world, a calling home of troops from Afghanistan and a massive re-allocation of military funding to be used for universal medicare, schools and infrastructure. She is bound to make enemies, but she has the chart of one of the greatest warriors I’ve ever seen.
Not surprisingly. she has been a soldier for 15years and served in Iraq, including in the medical corp where she saw the cost of war up close, She knows the cost of war and can speak with more authority on the subject than any of her fellow Democrats seeking the Presidency in 2020. Moreover, at the age of 27, she served in the Hawaiian House of Representatives from 2002 – 2004 politics since the age of twenty-one, Presently, she serves as the first Samoan American and the first Hindu member of the United States Congress. The list continues. She has an unusual grasp of Foreign Affairs. In brief, any opponent has to know what they are up against. She has a common touch and charisma, but it’s plain that her own Party is doing what it can to suppress her.
She was born a year after the Great Conjunction of 1981, which could make her the first post-GenX. President. The previous generation only produced one.
We don’t have time for the chart. Often, in a case like this, an astrologer might use a mid-day chart, but I have chosen instead what I believe is the most plausible. Quite simply, other times would render the house placements meaningless. However, I make no claims for the exact – to the minute – chart.
The first thing that anyone is likely to notice in this chart is the concentration in the Ninth House. This house is the place of spirituality, religion, higher mind. including justice and legal matters. Mars is in his domicile, the Sun in Haze, in his Exaltation and House of Joy Mercury is also in Hayz. This is also the house of the Part of Spirit, the SAN. Mercury and Venus. The Sun is the AlmutenMagha Nakshatra and Mars is the final dispositor.
In trine with these placements are the Ascendant and Moon in Leo, in the nakshatra Magha, associated with Regulus. ‘Magha’ means great, grand, benevolent and it imparts to its natives, high and respectable positions. It is understood as the symbol of authoritative status, and high social respect. It is well-suited to leadership positions
The Moon in Leo is not always a blessing at all. In fact, it is peregrine. But the sign is also Feral. The most usual critique of the Moon in this position is that the native has an emotional need to be recognized or praised. The situation here, with the powerful Rahu in Leo driving the first house, the leadership qualities are enhanced.
At this time, Gabbard is in her Lunar Firdaria. but will be transitioning to the Saturn Period on 29 December 2019. One looks to the planets and luminaries in the natal chart to determine how a planetary period is likely to unfold. Here, we see Saturn in his Exaltation, but Rx. Nevertheless, Saturn has the greatest overall dignity. Still, I think things will become more challenging in 2020. But I doubt that Ms Gabbard has ever seen a challenge she didn’t like. I wish her all the very best
News is breaking of a deal between the Trump Administration and the Taliban to withdraw US Troops and liberals have always seen the military budget as their personal pot of gold. Nothing new there.
Tom, since you haven’t bothered to make any astrological comments, let me remind you that Major Gabbard has more relevant experience as a politician and soldier that anyone else standing against her in the Democratic campaign for the Presidency. She has first-hand experience of war and has every right to speak her mind on the issue. However, this goes far further than withdrawal from Afghanistan. She was elected to the Hawaiian House of Representatives at the age of 21. It’s far too easy to write someone off as a typical liberal, but in this case, she really isn’t and no matter what your political persuasion, she is worthy of respect. At times, I think she may have more admiration from outside her Party. Her stands on the Justice System are long-overdue and her point that a wealthy paedophile can escape a meaningful sentence, which the jails are full of non-violent drug offenders, some in for-profit private prisons. I fail to see why this would be a partisan issue. On one issue after another, she is well informed and her positions considered She is the most substantive candidate I’ve seen in a generation. No matter what happens. Major Gabbard will have made a strong impact on the future of American politics by expanding its range and awakening its conscience to the betterment of a just society.
Agreed with Peter. These should not be partisan issues and, yes, she seems to have more admiration from outside her party and well deserved. I’m an active Democrat but have to echo the words of Thomas Corbett: “In 30 years I’ve moved from being a moderate democrat to a flaming socialist ultra-liberal with changing one position”. The Democrats and the country needs a massive makeover or the country needs to transition to a completely new system. Else it will become increasingly irrelevant and devolve into a third world country. Sorry there is no astrological commentary here since I believe Peter has said it most effectively.
Moon in 12º of tropical Leo, but that corresponds to about (depending on the ayanamsa you use) 18º sidereal cancer. And the Nakashatras imply the use of a sidereal zodiac. Or not?
Just to clarify my previous question: Since the Moon position is located @ 12º Tropical Leo, the ASC @ 19º Tropical Leo and Rahu/North Node @ 7º Tropical leo, shouldn´t those positions belong to Āshleshā or Pushya nakshatras (depending on the ayanamsa you use) instead of Magha or Pūrva Phalgunī, since the space in the sky between 7º to 19º tropical Leo corresponds (more or less) to 12.º to 20º of sidereal Cancer?
Thank you for your comments and interest.
Yes, you are quite right. The program used here will not allow sidereal nakshatras with a tropical chart. What you are seeing is indeed tropically placed nakshatras. This was something of an experiment after a discussion with a prominent jyotishi. who encouraged exploration in these matters.
Nevertheless, in hindsight, I should have this more clear. It would also be useful to see how the change in nakshatra affects the reading (and it will). I’ve been exploring ways in which Hellenistic astrology can work with Indian concepts.
Hello Peter! (btw, we have the same name in different languages…it’s a good analogy to the tropical and sidereal dilemma:)
“Thank you for your comments and interest.”
You’re welcome. It’s a great blog you have here: one of those few totally worth following! :)
“Yes, you are quite right. The program used here will not allow sidereal nakshatras with a tropical chart. What you are seeing is indeed tropically placed nakshatras. This was something of an experiment after a discussion with a prominent jyotishi. who encouraged exploration in these matters.”
I see. But, with all due respect for that “prominent jyotishi”, my opinion (as we speak;) is that you should not convert what is sidereally based to tropical…each to his own.
A propos…i recomend this paper (that I believe you already read…):
Click to access FossSiderealTropical.pdf
“Nevertheless, in hindsight, I should have this more clear. It would also be useful to see how the change in nakshatra affects the reading (and it will). I’ve been exploring ways in which Hellenistic astrology can work with Indian concepts.”
Thank you. I guess we all have a long road in front of us, but i believe that exploration is essential to the future of astrology.
There is a saying that one should never waste a good crisis. I don’t regret the experiment, so much as the missed opportunity. I think what I’ll do is read the same chart with the placements of the (sidereal) nakshatras, However, because of the current season and needing to spend time with family, I’m tempted to simply ‘correct’ the article or to get back to it later. I don’t know if you are aware of the many ways of doing this, but some Vedic astrologers are using a tropical zodiac – some with sidereal Nakshatras and others with tropical. I should think this argument began fairly recently as it is largely a result of Vedic texts which imply a tropical zodiac. Personally, I believe that Vettius Valens used both – one of the Babylonian Ayanamsa as well as the tropical. Of course, there was a time in the third century when the two zodiacs would have appeared to be the same. However, there are good reasons why one might use both. The sideral tells us the position of the stars in constellations and tropic is now indispensable because of its orientation to the equinoxes and solstices. Again, thank you for your comments and insights.
“There is a saying that one should never waste a good crisis”
I totally agree with you.
“I don’t know if you are aware of the many ways of doing this, but some Vedic astrologers are using a tropical zodiac – some with sidereal Nakshatras and others with tropical. I should think this argument began fairly recently as it is largely a result of Vedic texts which imply a tropical zodiac.”
Yes, i found plenty of vedic astrologers (E.g. Ernst wilhelm, Vic DiCara, Ryan Kurczak…) that “way of doing” – even recognizing that the rationale for the padas is probably lost and, consequently, they have to leave them out of the equation – and i believe the number is growing. Some argue that even in “Surya Siddhanta” (or even in older indian texts) the Tropical zodiac was advocated. Well…
“Personally, I believe that Vettius Valens used both – one of the Babylonian Ayanamsa as well as the tropical. Of course, there was a time in the third century when the two zodiacs would have appeared to be the same”
Sure. And i don´t have many doubts that the zodiac signs traits and characteristics (pretty much ignored in delineation in those early stages of Hellenistic astrology), as a consequence of that coincidence in the sky, result from an amalgam of sidereal and tropical concepts, which was not a problem then, only later, of course, due to the progressive difference caused by the precession of the equinoxes. So…i guess it’s a (crescent) modern problem/dillemma. :)
Personally, after many years using only the tropical lens, nowadays, when i look at a birth chart, i just can´t ignore anymore the sidereal one…being the sidereal nakshatras or even the sidereal rasis. Also, i found very accurate Vimshottari Dasha, but, at the same time, so it is zodiacal releasing using tropical…
but, the fact is, using both zodiacs simultaneously (even if separately), give us, so many times, different interpretations and results and for me that it’s still hard to rationalize: right away because the current difference between them (22º to 26º depending on the ayanamsa you use), puts, in the vast majority of the cases, a planet or any other important point of the chart, in signs which are in aversion, consequently, the most different possible from each other, due to the fact that they don´t share none of the major qualities associated with the signs: quadruplicity, triplicity and gender. It’s difficult to say to a person that to the fact that she has the moon in tropical virgo, she finds confort to be in service to others, reacts emotionally in a shy, humble and critic way, but, at the same time, because that moon in a sidereal leo and in Magha nakshatra, she likes to be served, she is very confident, needs to be the centre of attention, finds herself unique and extraordinary and may react cholerically if thwarted…well, it’s a strange (but possible, i don´t know yet…)delineation to give to someone who looks for an astrologer for self-enlightment. ; )
I couldn’t make any sense of that last sentence regarding the one looking to an astrologer for self-enlightenment.
It would seem that we’re mostly on the same page. The push for tropical Indian astrology with either tropical or sidereal nakshatras is becoming more common. I see the potential pitfalls, but these sorts of exploration often yield unexpected results. For myself, I’m finding increasingly difficult not to take sidereal very seriously for many forms of astrology. I can only say that I instinctively find that the sidereal natal chart is reflective of the tropical chart and more often than not. more articulate of what I will call, for lack of nomenclature, an essence or spiritual presence. Needless to say, this is very inconvenient at this point. Because the tropical zodiac is based on the solstices and equinoxes, it has obvious advantage in other areas of astrology
In any case, the Lion and the Serpent was amn exercise to explore the above. Is there not something about both nakshatras that we can relate to.
“I couldn’t make any sense of that last sentence regarding the one looking to an astrologer for self-enlightenment.”
So you agree with me that it’s a plausible astrological interpretation/delineation to do of the moon in the same space of the sky corresponding to tropical virgo (let’s say…4º Virgo) and sidereal Magha nakshatra (in sidereal Leo), if we interpret them separately.
I’m not saying that a person can’t be a blend ofthose caractheristics (Virgo and Magha/Leo) but…since those are in aversion, we would have contradictory and odd behavior/emotional reactions coming from that person…and, the fact is, we have some of them in the world. : )
I would appreciate hearing your thoughts on this. Thanks.
Let me be clear. I firmly believe that one should decide whether to use sidereal or tropical, certainly within a given chart. There are many perfectly legitimate and sometimes preferable reason to use the tropical zodiac. If you select tropical, many astrologers will claim that using sidereal nakshatras in a tropic chart may be done.
Quite recently, an Indian astrologer suggested that this indeed could be grounds for experimentation. I realize that not everyone agrees with this and certainly Jyotish purists are unlikely to approve at all.
The nakshatras mark the passage of the Moon through the backdrop of the stars, so it only makes sense to use a sidereal ayanamsa. There is still a separate place for different kinds of charts because the tropical system is based on the seasons.
To respond directly to your question, as I understand it, even though there may be some shadows or reflections with the system, one has to decide which system is being used. I have some sympathy for the use of (sidereal) nakshatras in a tropical chart, practised by those you listed and others. Personally, I’m becoming increasingly inclined to use sidereal when tropical isn’t the more obviously appropriate choice (such as events specifically connected to the seasons).
We need to remember that what we refer to as Classical astrology was not practised in precisely the same way by all our main sources
Yes, i agree with everything you stated above. Read my previous comments as a reflexion (by a definitive non-purist of any system :)) that i wanted to have with you about those “shadows” and how we could shed some light on them.
Thank you very much for sharing your vision.
i just wanted to chime in and make a correction to the natal chart. I’m not sure what calculations you use but i have entered the exact same birth details you’ve used in this chart of Gabbard’s in various other natal calculators (astrotheme, astro.com etc.. ) and the results were slightly dif. Well, more specifically, the houses had shifted slightly earlier, and what stood out to me was the 8th house stellium makes far more sense to me than a 9th house stellium. I say this as someone with a strikingly similar 8th house stellium (assuming my calculations are correct)..
i have been closely observing the dem primary and have a fond appreciation of Gabbards ability to hold herself in the gross attempts by mainstream media to smear and create a dark clowd over her candidacy. She’s one step ahead and never faults at impressing me at her abilty to run circles around her openents.. she’s a formidable force and that’s why i tend to believe my calculations.. i think her stellium aries combined with her stellium 8th house work hand in hand. she’s not only the soldier but she also the strategist. she’s a poltical ninja.
Hello Aaron, your comments puzzled me until I realized you must have calculated the chart using Placidus, perhaps, rather than Whole Sign houses employed in the charts I posted. I don’t agree that an eighth house stellium makes more sense at all The ninth house is the most eloquent key to her status as a spiritual warrior. PJC
Tulsi’s probable birthtime is 11:14 AM.
My friend, a Jyotishi (Vedic Astrologer) used this time and found that Tulsi truly is a warrior of the heroic kind and has a good shot in 2020 and also 2024.
so which is she, a life path of 8 or 9? I think the guy above is right – she’s an 8. Her gematria is 116. Numerology suggests she’s an 8. Not a 9. Trump is a 9. I think you are off the mark. In Hebrew, her numerology (gematria) is 516. That reduces to 12 – which reduces to the number 3. 3 cubed is 9. As we can see, the numerology category (English, Hebrew, Satanic, etc.) determines her lift path. In English – 8. In Jewish she’s a 9. The elites use both. The Hebrew is more relevant to them actually. 9 is her lucky number as well.
The discussion you refer to was solely concerned with whether the stellium was in the 8th or 9th house. Using Whole Sign we have the stellium in the 9th.
She seems to have disappeared from view, probably a tactical retreat in military parlance. Considering the present situation in her country, I think she has made the right decision.
I have heard many of her statements and I am impressed. I strongly believe we have not heard the last of her. All of that Aries verve in the 9th house makes her a natural leader with vision. There aren’t too many of them around at the moment.
I agree. I think the current political fiasco and indeed the state of the DNC itself is such that a strategic retreat would be a wise move on her part. I’m sure we haven’t heard the last of her.