Into the Outer Darkness

I was impressed by an article on the outer planets by Myriam Hildotter at The Apple Seed. I will be quoting from and referring to a small part of that article. I don’t think anyone should be excused from reading the original in full.ptolemaic

I’ve had reason to contemplate the outer planets lately, after having them turned off in all my astrology programmes for the last eight years. In part, it’s because I’ve become alarmed and curious regarding the number of so called Tradition Astrologers returning to the trans personals as if they could do so without doing some violence to the Tradition itself.

This system cannot accommodate asteroids or invisible planets without changing it at its core. I must add that there are many more who have come to understand the beauty and abilities of Traditional Astrology of late and hope this trend continues.

I’m starting with this particular quote from Hildotter:

“Now, if the Traditional Planets represent the Higher Cosmological Spheres, it is not hard to extrapolate that the three Outer Planets represent Lower Spheres, or the Outer Darkness referred to in the Christian tradition. Interestingly enough, these planets may have very well been known about in Ancient times. Certainly, Uranus was. Our Ancient forebears knew enough not to intentionally invoke these planets, however.”

Traditional Astrology is based on light. In modern astrology, orbs are given to aspects> In Traditional Astrology they are assigned to planets  The size of the orb depends on the light emitted. Obviously, Mercury will not have the Same orb as Jupiter. The Ptolemaic universe is superficially geocentric but is ultimately rooted in the divine. The planetary spheres represent what we might call a ladder of light.

In a Lecture on “The Real Astrology” in 2003 John Frawley stated: “Astrology is the science of light. Light existed before the Sun and Moon were created. This is essential light: the light of the essences of things. Astrology works by communication of essential light: the light of the essences of things”

It helps to have some understanding of Aristotle, particularly his Metaphysics and On the Heavens as well as an acquaintance with Platonic and Neo-Platonic thought to grasp the underpinnings of this system, but the system itself is much older. One of the core elements of this schema is the seven planets and luminaries in a particular order. This is usually referred to as the Chaldean Order. The order is based on ascension from Earth to the next closest planet, which is the Moon and continues the furthermost planet, Saturn. When you look at the rulerships, it becomes obvious that this form of divine symmetry permeates the entire system.

At the core, we have the Sun and Moon ruling Leo and Cancer, the next signs on either side, Gemini and Virgo. The pattern continues until we reach Saturn, ruler of Capricorn and Aquarius.

For our immediate purposes however, note that the Sun is at the centre and Venus and Mars on either side, as what the Egyptians called Severity and Mercy. If you add a planet or asteroid into the system, the Sun is no longer at the centre

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The Earth rests in the Sublunary Sphere, a place of generation and decay. Saturn represents the furthest reaches of the planetary system  — the outer limits if you like. Beyond Saturn is the realm of the Fixed Stars (also light) and then the Sphere of the Prime Mover, the source of light. This places the trans-personals in the outer darkness.

In order to accommodate the outer planets, we would have to dismantle the Classical model. If one is doing that consciously and fully understands the consequences we could say we are merely using another form of astrology that pretty much ignores what holds the system together.

Unfortunately, more commonly I see self-named Traditional astrologers using outer planets if we use tight orbs. This brings us full circle. We are now talking about allotting orbs as one might to a fixed star. However, they are not stars and emit no light we perceive without the use of powerful telescopes.

It is important to understand that the trans personals, particularly Uranus, were known by the ancients. Indian astrologers claim they have known about them for over 7,000 years.  Uranus is very, very faint, but can be seen as a tiny smudge without a telescope, if you know exactly where to look. I concur with Hildotter that the three outer planets (?) correspond to modern ailments

I’ve maintained for many years that the fascination with the outer planets, usually at the expense of those closer to home, is a perfect analogy for contemporary alienation – that which is furthest from Sol becomes the focus – staring into the abyss, as far away from the light as possible believing they are connecting with higher, transformative energies. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Sun is the ultimate source of life If seen from Pluto, it is a faint star

Sandro Botticelli La Carte de l'Enfer

Sandro Botticelli La Carte de l’Enfer

One of the advantages of not looking at outer planets for eight years is seeing what happens when you bring them back. I see no purpose for them in The Judgment of Nativities and perhaps even less in Horary. Mundane and Electional astrology has been practised successfully since the dawn of civilization in one form or another.

Let’s take a look at what the outer planets signify:

Uranus – Sudden, unexpected change, massive explosions, an unpredictable and highly disruptive force. The mythology of Uranus is some of the most sordid reading you are likely to read. He’s a monster and none the better for being castrated. Positive but erroneous associations were borrowed from Mars and Mercury. The irony that Aquarius, a Fixed Air Sign is said to be ruled by a planet that violently changes all the time is truly spectacular.

Neptune – addiction, including alcoholism. The great deceiver and agent of confusion and dementia. Attributions that have nothing to do with Neptune were taken from the Moon, Saturn and Venus

Pluto – well, let’s just say that if Pluto is “transformational” so is a nuclear war and high levels of toxic radiation. He is associated with the worst biological and chemical weapons. Incorrect associations were borrowed mainly from Mars

Of course,  none of these associations were actually *borrowed* They were stolen, stripping the Traditional planets of much of their meaning. After all, has been tallied up, we can see that the cosmology, meaning  and structure has been unceremoniously tossed aside, as if the tradition that served us well for millennia were nothing more than last year’s model, that can be changed on a whim with impunity – yet another symptom of a throw away society

In short, the outer planets are all malefics of the first degree that describe different forms of devastation, much in the terms of social and moral decay noted by Hildotter.  It is increasingly apparent that astrologers are trying to attach the Transpersonals without understanding the consequences.

Divining the Birth of Krishna


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This is admittedly a very different kind of article. I present this as food for deep thought. It strikes at the heart of astrology when attempts are made to find a chart for the image of a god that also describes his life.  I don’t seek to draw any absolute conclusions, but it raises intriguing questions that are well worth contemplating

I will not rehearse what has already been written in such detail by Dr. Padmakar Vishnu Vartak, M.B.B.S., F.U.W.A.I., Ph.D. (Lit) [Washington DC]  in his article,  Birthdate_of_Krishna > His method is sophisticated and complex. It also requires a very strong understanding of  Jyotish and Hindu scripture.

Over the last two decades in particular,there has been a wide variety of archaeological discoveries which have demanded we treat ancient myth as possible historical accounts. This isn’t the place to enumerate them, but I will mention what the Hindu texts refered to as the City of Krishna.

It had been assumed it was a mythic city. However, it was found and explored underwater in the Arabian Sea The lost city of Dwaraka was submerged off the northwestern coast of India near the Gulf of Cambay or Khambat.  The city was estimated to be 9,000 years old . More recently, some archaeologists have suggested a date closer to 12,000 years ago. The former would seem to approximate Dr. Padmakar’s date of Krishna’s birth:

“On 16th October 5561 BC it was Margashirsha Amavasya on Uttara Ashadha. It was not on Jeshtha, as is assumed. I need not go in details of this discussion, readers may refer to my book ‘The Scientific Dating of the Mahabharata War’. From this, we find that on Shravana Krishna 8th it was 23rd May during 5626 BC.”

The same Dr. Padmaker claims that the outer planets were all known among the sages of India circa 6,000 B.C.  I have no access to tables for that time period and Padmakar doesn’t offer us a chart in the article. However, he does give us the planetary positions.

“Krishna was born at midnight on Shravan Vadya 8th so that the Lagna was Vrushabha, where the Moon resided. Ascendant was Taurus.”

So we have May 23 5626 B.C. Midnight,  near Cambay as birth data and Padmarka claims that this describes the life of Krisha precisely. I should think there are very few people in a position to contest his findings.

However, there is another chart for Krishna which I ought to mention. It’s 19 July 3228 B.C. Midnight. The chart is sidereal (Lahiri) and I’m using Cambay as the location. The first thing to note is the focus on the Taurus Ascendant. This is obviously of great importance in both charts. The Sun is in the Royal Sign of Leo and the Moon is right on the Ascendant disposed by Venus in Cancer.

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B.V. Raman writes of this chart :

“It is impossible for ordinary mortals to evaluate the personality of Sri Krishna — the Lord incarnate, statesman, counsellor, diplomat, philosopher, Yogeeswara, the expounder of the immortal Bhagavadgita, the destroyer of the wicked and the protector of the pious. All the three important factors in His horoscope, viz., the Lagna, the Sun and the Moon have been rendered strong. ”

The Fixed Stars are also auspicious, with Aldebaran and Rigel conjunct the Ascendant. Aldebaran has the significance of the eye of God and Rigel  is a powerful star of the nature of Jupiter and Saturn. The Sun is parallel with Regulus. However the Moon is conjunct Algol. I’m guessing this is seen as a great power, but that’s quite a stretch. Perseus is holding the severed head of the ghoul.  However, one of Krishna’s attributes is immunity to venom. Presumably, Krishna would hold the power of Algol rather than have it turned against him.

In the story of Kaliya the Serpent, “Krishna overcomes Kaliya the dreaded, multi-hooded snake in the River Yamuna and begins to dance on its several hoods. When the heels of Krishna strike the hoods, some break off and then get replaced by new ones. All the while Krishna keeps playing his sweet flute”

This might well be the explanation for choosing this position of the Moon.

The festival of Krishna Janmashtami is celebrated on 28 August this year (2013) Hindu children dress up and identify with Krishna.

Krishna was granted perfect invulnerability except for the souls of his feet, in much the same manner as Achilles’s heel. A hunter mistook him for a   deer because of the colour of silk that Krishna was wearing. The bowman shot Krishna on the sole of one of his feet.

The Lord of the Eighth House of Death is Jupiter. The house is Sagittarian, presumably referring to the bowman and of course, feet are attributed to Pisces, also ruled by Jupiter  

It looks as if the astrologers have taken all this into account

There are many ways we can read this material. Firstly we can lend credence to both astrologers. Both of them are highly skilled and although the dates are different, key elements of the chart remain. It might be construed as a search for the perfect man, the greatest possible chart to suit a god who is also a man.

Perhaps it’s a more general enquiry into the nature of God. After all, the primary Hindu gods are ultimately states of consciousness. In that sense, Krishna is always in the present.  This is alien to modern Western thought because it took the path of duality. To be human is not divine, to be divine is not human, so discussion of the qualities of divinity as in the same kind of chart as we would use for a friend  Happily, this aberration is being seen for what it is. This particular aberration is not shared by most Hindus. One can worship a deity while also recognizing his or her essence within one’s soul and the souls of all sentient beings.

To quote Sri Swami Sivenand: “Existing as He does as the very Immortal Principle in all-beings, Lord Krishna proclaims with unimpeachable authority, the immortality of the Soul. Being manifest here in this world as the very life and soul of all beings, He reveals the immanence of God. Being the witness of the actions of Prakriti (Nature) and the interplay of the Gunas (qualities), and in the perfect knowledge of the nature of this play of the Gunas. He declares that the objects of the world are evanescent, that all that is born must die and that all that is created must perish. Being the One who is conscious of the one imperishable, indivisible Truth which is never affected by the illusory play of Prakriti in which the Jiva (individual) which is essentially one with that Supreme Being, dreams that he is dumb-driven and bound, the Lord asserts that liberation is possible here and now” (From Gospel of Lord Krishna).

mumbai-dark-blue_1706534iMy impression is that these astrologers are indeed interested in the birth time of Krishna to know him better and perhaps to reiterate the antiquity of Hinduism and the non mythic reality written of in the Mahabharata, the Vedas and the Upanishads.

As T.S. Eliot would have it in Burnt Norton :

Time present and time past
Are both perhaps present in time future,
And time future contained in time past.
If all time is eternally present
All time is unredeemable.

This is in agreement with both quantum physics and the Vedas. Many of us no longer see time as purely linear. What we mean by ‘the present’ is changing also. Most cultures have already known this, which is why the ancestors are always present. Truly linear thinking is a product of the Industrial Revolution. It’s an assembly line model of consciousness